Link G4x Monsoon trigger input

Hi all,

I have just finished putting together a loom and standalone install on a bmw k1200rs engine fitted in a Hillman Imp. I’m having some grief getting it started, basic settings are all in there but I think my trigger scope readout looks odd. What would cause this, the trigger wheel and reluctor sensor are part of a kit, and all appear to be centred.

help please

Mike

First, do you have a good strong battery when cranking. Often we've discharged the battery while setting up the ECU, then we wonder why it struggles to crank when it only has 11.7 volts to start.

The trigger 1 (crank sensor) waveform is what you expect. When the engine is turning faster, the amplitude (height of the waves) is larger, and when the engine slows down (due to cylinder compression), the amplitude will be lower, and the space between waves will be larger. A similar thing can happen if the distance between the trigger wheel and the sensor changes. Remove the spark plugs and turn the engine over slowly and measure the the gap (using a feeler gauge) at different crank positions to be sure.

I don't know whether you expect a signal on trigger two, but right now there is basically nothing there on the phase of the engine you captured, you want to zoom out until you see at least three of the missing teeth (the funny twice a wide wave, with the diagonal rising edge) that you have one of at each end of that picture. If during the next / previous crank cycle, there was a triggerable event on trigger 2, then you would have the necessary bits to know the engine timing.

The trigger waveform is most likely fine, it certainly wouldnt prevent it from running, but there is not enough info to tell if it it is just a lot of cranking speed variation or if there is some wheel runout. All points David mentions are valid.

As for the reason it wont start, you really need to provide more info about the engine, a copy of the tune and a PC log of a start attempt. Why is there no cam sensor? What does it have for coils and drivers? Is the ignition mode set to wasted spark or direct spark?

Thanks for the replies, the engine has no Cam sensor, so is working on Crank only, I know this is not ideal but I done see a way of adding one to the engine.

I will get some logs, I think my issue is the calibration of the CAS I’m waiting for a new timing light to be delivered, I have spark being generated and I can hear the injectors pulsing.

You didn't answer half my questions so there are still many assumptions being made.

If you have direct spark ignition then you will need either a cam sensor, or if it has ITB's you can connect the MAP sensor to a single intake port to use that for phase detection. Setup is a bit more involved for MAP sync. You need to set that up before you do trigger calibration.

Are you using stock coil(s)? What ignitor have you used?

Apologies Adam,

The car is running on ITB’s I’m using RPM vs TPS and I’m using stock coil pack (two trigger inputs) setup as wasted spark on the ecu. As for drivers I’m using the ign 1/2 outputs to fire the coil pack

As for injection it’s wired individually to each injector setup as grouped ignition using ignition outputs 1-4.

I’m away from the car until later this evening, so I will get a download of a log and the ecu setup.

Apologies I’m new to first time setup of an ecu everything I’ve done in the past has been on plug and play ecu’s with a preconfigured base available

You will not be able to drive a dumb coil directly with the ECU, you will need to add a 2 channel coil driver/Ignitor in between the ecu and coil, or change to a smart coil.

Hi Adam,

its a Bosch

0 221 503 020

Coil brick, any other builds with this engine I’ve seen don’t have a separate coil driver, I’m struggling to find specs online for this coil pack.

thanks

A 4 tower coil with 3 pins is a dumb coil, it will need an ignitor as above.

Thanks for your help Adam. Fitted an igniter easy job. Now all sorted, turns out the internet gave me duff information regarding the engines firing order. Now to finish off the last few bits and get it mapped