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Title:

2016 CR-Z Sprintex – Idle fueling issues (large injectors, MAF vs AFM Fuel / deadtime limitations)

Post:

I’m looking for some guidance on idle fueling behavior with a supercharged CR-Z setup.

Vehicle / setup:

  • 2016 Honda CR-Z (manual)
  • Sprintex supercharger (positive displacement, with bypass)
  • KTuner
  • DeatschWerks 550cc injectors (also tested a smaller ~410cc set previously)
  • Previously running a Takeda Momentum intake (MAF closer to throttle body), now reverted to stock airbox and stock MAF curve

    Takeda Intake also had PCV pre-MAF which may have been contributing to problems. OEM is after MAF

Background:

The car was e-tuned, but I’ve had ongoing issues with idle fueling.

  • Initially, fuel trims were very large (±30–50%)
  • In the final revision, trims were limited to ±10% (Clamped), which made things look better, but didn’t actually resolve the underlying behavior
  • AFR at idle can be brought near stoich, but only with large negative correction
  • CMD AFR Vs AFR not tracking well with finished e-tune

Current state (after reverting hardware changes):

I reverted to:

  • Stock intake
  • Stock MAF curve
Trying to eliminate variables from the Takeda intake / MAF placement.

Now:

  • Idle AFR ≈ stoich
  • STFT is still heavily negative (around -25 to -30%)
  • Changes to the AFM Fuel table (low mg/stk cells) have very little effect on trims
  • Deadtime changes do affect behavior, but not enough to bring trims into a reasonable range
  • Missing Injector Scaling in Ktuner for my Vehicle

What I’m seeing / questioning:

It seems like I’m running into a combination of:

  • Injector nonlinearity at low pulsewidth (DW550s at idle)
  • Deadtime dominating total pulsewidth
  • Possibly airflow modeling issues at low load (supercharger bypass / reversion affecting MAF signal?)
  • Because of this:

  • The ECU can achieve stoich via closed-loop correction
  • But the base fueling model appears significantly biased rich at idle
  • AFM Fuel adjustments don’t meaningfully move trims in this region

Constraints (KTuner / platform):

  • No direct injector scaling (cc/min) adjustment available
  • No Speed Density Maps
  • Only real injector control is via:

  • Deadtime table
  • AFM Fuel table

What I’m trying to determine:

  • Is this behavior expected with:

  • Large injectors (DW550)
  • Returnless Honda system
  • Low pulsewidth idle region
  • At what point should I stop chasing trims at idle and accept some (massive) correction?
  • Is it more appropriate to:

  • Continue refining deadtime
  • Raise idle airflow / idle speed to move out of low PW region
  • Or revisit injector sizing entirely? (Had same problem with 410cc Injectors)
  • Has anyone seen MAF signal distortion at idle on Sprintex setups due to bypass/reversion, especially with aftermarket intake placement?
  • Goal:

    Not necessarily perfect trims, but:

  • Stable idle
  • Reasonable correction (not pegged)
  • Predictable behavior transitioning into load
  • AFR Tracking CMD well when driving, +-5-10% Trims overall

Any insight from people familiar with Honda MAF systems, KTuner limitations, or PD supercharger behavior would be appreciated.

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