Title:
2016 CR-Z Sprintex – Idle fueling issues (large injectors, MAF vs AFM Fuel / deadtime limitations)
Post:
I’m looking for some guidance on idle fueling behavior with a supercharged CR-Z setup.
Vehicle / setup:
Background:
The car was e-tuned, but I’ve had ongoing issues with idle fueling.
- Initially, fuel trims were very large (±30–50%)
- In the final revision, trims were limited to ±10% (Clamped), which made things look better, but didn’t actually resolve the underlying behavior
- AFR at idle can be brought near stoich, but only with large negative correction
- CMD AFR Vs AFR not tracking well with finished e-tune
Current state (after reverting hardware changes):
I reverted to:
- Stock intake
- Stock MAF curve
Trying to eliminate variables from the Takeda intake / MAF placement.
Now:
- Idle AFR ≈ stoich
- STFT is still heavily negative (around -25 to -30%)
- Changes to the AFM Fuel table (low mg/stk cells) have very little effect on trims
- Deadtime changes do affect behavior, but not enough to bring trims into a reasonable range
- Missing Injector Scaling in Ktuner for my Vehicle
What I’m seeing / questioning:
It seems like I’m running into a combination of:
- Injector nonlinearity at low pulsewidth (DW550s at idle)
- Deadtime dominating total pulsewidth
- Possibly airflow modeling issues at low load (supercharger bypass / reversion affecting MAF signal?)
- Because of this:
- The ECU can achieve stoich via closed-loop correction
- But the base fueling model appears significantly biased rich at idle
- AFM Fuel adjustments don’t meaningfully move trims in this region
Constraints (KTuner / platform):
- No direct injector scaling (cc/min) adjustment available
- No Speed Density Maps
- Only real injector control is via:
- Deadtime table
- AFM Fuel table
What I’m trying to determine:
- Is this behavior expected with:
- Large injectors (DW550)
- Returnless Honda system
- Low pulsewidth idle region
- At what point should I stop chasing trims at idle and accept some (massive) correction?
- Is it more appropriate to:
- Continue refining deadtime
- Raise idle airflow / idle speed to move out of low PW region
- Or revisit injector sizing entirely? (Had same problem with 410cc Injectors)
Any insight from people familiar with Honda MAF systems, KTuner limitations, or PD supercharger behavior would be appreciated.